I can remember getting really excited by this when I read it in the NME in the last dying weeks of 1980. Even though all I knew of A Certain Ratio at that point was "Flight" and "Shack Up", as played frequently on Peel, and all I knew of Grace Jones was "Private Life", her medium-sized hit.... it seemed exciting. And covering a Talking Heads song, "Houses In Motion" too - a three-way conjunction of postpunk postfunk cool.
I was also taken by the arrogance of ACR's claim "We're gonna do a Talkin' Heads track an' do it properly". As a Talking Heads fan, very soon to get hold of Remain In Light as my Christmas present, and who had already heard a bunch of tracks from it on the radio, including "Houses in Motion", to me this seemed quite the ballsy statement.
But the collaboration never came about - the A Certain Grace-io "Houses In Motion" never materialized. (Talking Heads did release their original version as the second single off Remain In Light, though).
Then decades later ACR finally put out their instrumental version of "Houses In Motion" - the one they did with Martin Hannett in readiness for Grace to incant over. Near-instrumental, rather, for it features the guide vocal laid down by Jez Kerr for Grace to sing along to.
Doesn't exactly eclipse the original.
Now I feel like I have read somewhere or other, certain claims from ACR that it was them that propelled Talking Heads in a funk direction. This was supposed to have happened when ACR supported Byrne & Co on their UK tour in 1979. Byrne supposedly watching their shows very intently, listening and learning.
But Talking Heads had already released the ultra-funky More Songs About Buildings And Food the previous year. Indeed you can hear funk tendencies germinating on the album before that, their debut Talking Heads 77. Plus, Byrne and Weymouth and Frantz lived in New York City, they hardly needed to go to Manchester to learn about da funk - it was streaming out of the radio, seething in the streets. Seems a bit of wishful thinking there from the ACR boys!
Update: looking into it more closely, I see the chronology makes even less sense: the dates ACR played support to Talking Heads were in December of 1979, months after Talking Heads had recorded and released Fear of Music. So that's three incrementally funkier albums Byrne & Crew had made before supposedly being shown the Way by ACR. (Fear of Music starts with the Fela-influenced Dada-disco of "I Zimbra"). Meanwhile, ACR's debut single in 1979 was the drummerless dirge "All Night Party".
"We're gonna do a Talkin' Heads track an' do it properly" - typical Manc-wank bluster 'n' bull! Talking of which, looking up ACR I see that Anthony H. Wilson proclaimed them, upon the release of the debut single, to be "the new Sex Pistols".
I've had the raw ingredients for this post sitting for a month or two (got a bit of a backblog - I always do, on all of these blogs - things started but not finished). The spur to finally poop it out came today when I saw the amazing news about a whole book entirely concerning this abortive encounter between La Jones and A Certain Ratio. A short book, admittedly, but a book! Titled Strawberry and the Big Apple: Grace Jones in Stockport, 1980, it's written by Dave Haslam and it's the finale to the Art Decades series of attractively designed monographs on esoteric subjects that he's been doing. (I have All You Need Is Dynamite, which is about the Angry Brigade and its links to the Manchester counterculture magazine Mole Express).
Release rationale:
In ‘Strawberry and the Big Apple’, the eighth and final short-format book in his acclaimed Art Decades series, Dave Haslam explains a seemingly unlikely scenario: the day in November 1980 when Grace Jones – a spectacularly glamorous jet-setting singer living and working in Paris and New York, and recording in the Bahamas – pays a visit to Stockport (a post-industrial town seven miles south of Manchester, with crumbling infrastructure and rising unemployment). Her quest that day? To meet A Certain Ratio, a group then signed to Factory Records.
This tale of worlds colliding includes Tony Wilson’s fascination with New York; an intriguing portrait of the early life of Grace Jones; a twist in the tale, and more than a couple of mysteries; plus walk-on parts for 10cc, Robert De Niro and Jerry Hall. ‘Strawberry and the Big Apple’ is the latest (and last) work in the Art Decades series by writer and former Haçienda DJ, Dave Haslam, exploring a variety of subjects rooted in cities, in recent history and lived experience, and a love for music, literature, and art.
Publication date: 11 April 2024. All pre-ordered copies of the book will be signed by the author.
I wouldn't say this is a story that NEEDED to be told, but I am quite intrigued.
The Strawberry in the title is Strawberry Studios, where 10cc made their records (one of the band was a co-investor in the studio).
What about the reference in the NME news story to Grace Jones as "infamous sparring partner" to chat show host Russell Harty? What, you've not heard about this legendary live-on-TV fracas?
For what it's worth (and it is probably not worth much at all), I remember someone (possibly a British interlocuter) saying that Talking Heads were not as au fait with Parliament/Funkadelic as he expected them to have been (i.e. by a certain point in their career). But I guess this is just another example of the essential dividing line in American music. James Brown, for example, became practically invisible (inaudible?) to a White American audience by the early 70s (cf. 1974 being JB's biggest year ever for R&B chart action).
ReplyDeleteLooking into it further and it makes even less sense: Talking Heads had recorded their third album Fear of Music half-a-year before A Certain Ratio supported them.
DeleteI am sure it's documented somewhere, but if Talking Heads were ignorant of P-Funk, how did they know to bring in Bernie Worrell, who didn't play on Remain in Light but was brought in for the subsequent tour and later albums?
DeleteTbh, it's all a bit half-remembered and I wish I hadn't. But I definitely recall some journalistic words to that effect re: the band's knowledge of Parliament. On a related note, I better remember one of the Staple Singers dissing 'Slippery People' in an interview in (most likely) Blues & Soul some thirty plus years ago. She thought it was some irreligious ofay B.S. (not her exact words). I was struck by her robustness on the matter (although I understand it remained in their set list).
DeleteShurely this rekkid could be made by AI now?
ReplyDeleteGood point. There are all these blogs that try to create albums that never came out - promised projects like The Beatles's Get Back, or The Who's Lifehouse - they assemble them using the tracks that have seeped on bootlegs over the years or that appear on box sets and deluxe reissues, demos and out-takes. But you are right, soon if not already, AI will be able to create these announced-but-never-released/realized records. And create all kinds of counterfactual or alternative-history releases - Pink Floyd albums if Syd Barrett had kept his wits and stayed in the band, the third Stones Roses album etc. (Although this John Squire / Liam Gallagher album is sort of kind of a phantom third Stone Roses album)
DeletePlease don't give those people any more free ideas. Although I guarantee that someone has already assembled a Syd Syllable algorithm to 'cover' Shine On You Crazy Diamond, because that's exactly the kind of thing they love
DeleteThat ACR track is better than I expected! The Dunbar / Shakespeare / Badarou / Reynolds / Chung group that Jones used at Compass Point is one of the hottest bands ever assembled, and ACR don't disgrace themselves by comparison.
ReplyDeleteWandering down the rabbit hole, I discovered that that Compass Point band made an album with Joe Cocker, an artist I have always disliked. I checked it out in the hopes of finding an undiscovered masterpiece, but it is actually pretty terrible. Very nearly as bad as his other stuff. It underlines how important Jones was to her records, despite attempts to undervalue her contribution.
DeleteAbsolutely - yes, none of the participants made records as good as the ones they made with her. I think that applies even to Sly & Robbie.
DeleteSimilar (whisper it) with Andy Weatherall. I don't think he made a record as good as the ones he did with Primal Scream.
So clearly the singer is providing a certain X factor. They are like the yeast, or the glue, or something. Without them, it's just an aggregate of good musicianship and excellent production.
I assume that Grace falling through is what led to ACR getting in Martha Tilson, whose spectral, bled-white vocals were the best thing about them.
ReplyDeleteBut here's a strange thing - Martha Tilson must be the most obscure person in the history of pop. There are absolutely NO pictures or autobiographical details of her on the entire internet. And she doesn't seem to have ever been photographed with the band.
Researching her is made much more difficult by the fact that there is a folk singer with the devilishly similar name of Martha Tilston (i.e. "ston" not "son"), whose surname is inevitably spelled incorrectly as "Tilson", so even when you think you've got a lead, you inevitably haven't.
So I'm left to wonder, did "Martha Tilson" ever actually exist? Or was this just a pseudonym given to a session singer?
I should add that if Martha Tilson did exist, she never did anything musically after "Sextet" by herself or with anyone else.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/martha-tilly-tilson-of-acr-north-london-poly-27-march-1981-philip-grey--330170216442455690/
ReplyDeleteCheers!
Delete2024 will be the year of the return of Martha Tilson.
FYI (if you don't already know Ed), Thompson Twins did some great stuff at Compass Point circa Quick Step & Side Kick. I'm particularly thinking of the remixes that were on one side of the initial cassette release of the LP. Far in advance of a lot of remixology going on elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteIs that the stuff on the deluxe version of Quick Step & Side Kicke https://listen.tidal.com/album/281707629 ?
DeleteBetter than the Rushent stuff on Love and Dancing?
Thanks for the tip! Yes some of those extended mixes are cool. I particularly enjoyed the 12" version of "What Is Love", which is a song I already liked quite a bit. Great bassline
DeleteIt's rather good this Thompson Twins in dub stuff... The mean thing to say would be the less of the vocalists left the better, but they are the ones - being in charge - who did it, or at least asked the producer to do it.
DeleteA subject for a post, or a listening project - comparing those very first remix albums - B-52s versus Soft Cell versus Human League versus Imagination versus... maybe the very first, even before the B-52s Party Mix album, was actually the Basement 5 album In Dub
(I mean yes obviously the dub albums out of Jamaica or Dennis Bovell's studio are the first remix albums if you want to be a stickler. But in terms of New Wave / postpunk / New Pop era, is what I'm thinking.).
I guess Black Uhuru's 'Dub Factor' straddles the two worlds of old & new dub. Then (off the top of my head) there's the Levan 'Padlock' mini-LP and I think Eurythmics did a remix of their 'Touch' LP. I enjoy listening to the latter half of the Clash's 'Super Black Market Clash' CD for the various versions. I'm otherwise very much not a Clash person.
DeleteYes, that CD. OK, maybe not better than the Rushent. I guess I was thinking more of the 'beef up the drum track and extend the bridge' school of remixing (e.g. This Charming Man 12" - ?). Also, the very fact that such good stuff came from the Thompson Twins - a band that I had zero time for in '82/'83. I thought 'We Are Detective' was the pits! (and still do!)
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