Sunday, January 14, 2024

"transplendent!" (the ghastliness of rock, #2 of ?)

Loads of suggestions of rockhorror lampoons in the comments box of the previous post on the ghastliness of rock. I'll get to those in a sec, but first, a couple of doozies that came to mind. 

Here's Woody Allen, or his Annie Hall stand-in, Alvy Singer, encountering rock culture in its full mid-70s pomp, via a date with a Rolling Stone reporter.


Exaggerated for comedic effect, but reflecting Allen's true feelings about the fatuousness of rock and the rock generation.  He's such a fogey, he's into the previous generation's music, jazz: but not even bebop, it's pre-WW2 jazz, as used incessantly on his soundtracks and which he even plays, in a jazz revival band. 

(C.f. that other fogey, Terry Zwigoff, who makes his own poke at rock with the Blueshammer scene in Ghost World

Also possibly counting in this category, the scenes involving Annie Hall and the Paul Simon character, the record producer, in a nightclub and then at the oh-so-LA party. 



And then another rockphobic scene - from Hannah and Her Sisters, when Woody's Mickey goes on a date with Dianne Wiest's Holly (Hannah's directionless, trend-hopping sister) and is exposed to punk rock.  


Are there any other scenes like these in the Allen uuurv? 


Okay onto the suggestions: 

Phil Knight points to this 


But isn't Richard O'Brien a genuine fan of rock'n'roll?

Phil also points to this scene as an example of the outsider wandering befuddled into the mystifying youth culture 


Ah, I know people who could discourse - have discoursed - at length about the significance of that one scene! (Funnily enough I'm reading a whole book about Blow-Up at the moment).

I'm not sure that is exactly what is happening there - after all, the photographer is pretty with-it (he plays a jazz record in the scene with Vanessa Redgrave at his pad but he's right in the thick of the young culture, fashion, etc). One of the things the scene does is some character-revealing: how competitive and predatorial he is by nature, so that he has to fight for the broken remnant of the guitar, eventually wresting it out of the hands of the Yardbirds fans... but once he's got it and got it outside the club, he loses all interest....  drops it in the street. The other thing is the idea of society breaking up in micro-cultures that are completely unfathomable to the rest of society: the talismanic aura of the electric guitar fragment means nothing once outside the club... it's just a bit rubbish in a London street. 

But Blow-Up as a whole, probably does fit the syndrome - not so much "rock ghastliness" but the whole Swinging Sixties, mod Britain moment viewed with an outsider's cold eye, seeing only emptiness, meaningless pursuit of sensation, decadence, a society breaking apart. (Antonioni was a Marxist, if hardly a crude one). 

But Blow-Up is also about 6 or 7 other things.  It's probably my equal-first favorite film alongside Performance and Walkabout.

Phil also digs up this amazing encounter between Norman Wisdom and The Pretty Things and assorted pretty things of the psych Sixties


And he also mentions The Tubes - who probably satirised rock and rock-values in multiple ways and points ("White Punks On Dope") but most famously lampooned the excess of peak-pomp Brit rockstardom with the character of Quay Lewd







The Tubes also had a punk spoof as well, if I recall right. Ah, Stevee finds a latterday version of it



Stevee suggest this Quincy episode for punk piss-taking 


and an episode of CHIPS for similar 



And also brings up Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias - they were part of the hippie bohemian scene in Manchester, if I recall right, and took the piss out of everything, from Status Quo denim boogie to reggae to punk with the Snuff Rock EP (and also stage play?)



On the subject of punky piss-takes there's a whole episode of The Goodies, "Punky Business"




Ed remembers Not the Nine O' Clock News having a go at the New Wave



And also this



And the Comic Strip's metal spoof Bad News, which I always thought came a poor second to Spinal Tap 




One of the problems with metal parodies is that metal is a genre that advances through self-parody. 

Also, no matter how silly or excessive or preposterously posturing and theatrical you make the parody, there is always an actual real example of a metal band that surpasses that..  It's a bit like wrestling, maybe. 


Tyler points to this episode of Dragnet, not so much about rock per se as about acid and hippies


and to this film I never even heard of - Otto Preminger's  hippie satire Skidoo (entirety watchable here)




There's probably a load of hippie-satirising scenes in movies, or at least scenes that have a movie-world outsider's simulation thereof. This one from The President's Analyst sprang to mind (another of my favorite films): 




Ah, well, in a way, the entirety of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, is a kind of outsider's spoof on the music industry and groovy rock bands of the late Sixties.  Yet another of my favorite films. 







Stylo offers another piss-take of Old Grey Whistle Test, from later on than the Rutland Weekend Television lampoon



And this brief Brass Eye send-up of glam rock 


That reminded me that Mighty Boosh is full of this kind of thing (as was Noel F's terrible solo follow up series). But it's done affectionately, there's none of that visceral feeling of distaste and contempt that you get with the Woody Allen types. 







29 comments:

  1. I couldn't find a '70s clip of the Tubes' "I Was a Punk Before You Were a Punk," but here's one from 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImyiFfcX780&ab_channel=MAIDENFAN4LIFE

    Tom Nichols' article in the Atlantic a few weeks ago about seeing the Tubes' current lineup and shocking his kids by singing along to their scandalous lyrics kinda proves the point of these videos.

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  2. Alongside his distaste for rock music, Woody Allen is often dismissive of those persons who would rather watch TV than read French novels (i:e - millions and millions of the Earth's human population). I am an admirer of the great man, but he does tend to let his cultural prejudices show in his films.

    That scene with Shelley Duvall is very funny. mind - " Oh, look. There's God coming out of the men's room. " Brilliant.

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  3. My favourite punk parody is I Hate The Bloody Queen by The Queen Haters from SCTV, not sure if it’s been mentioned here https://youtu.be/DJU5x67Sz1o?si=qZfCooqCOQ-ZB13C

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  4. Great story from Simon Napier-Bell about how the Yardbirds got the gig in Blow-Up, when Antonioni had originally wanted The Who: https://fb.watch/pA_l6E25s8/?mibextid=CYgPv5
    I remember an interview with one of the Yardbirds - probably Beck - who said they had to be talked into it. They were reluctant to smash good instruments, and thought the antics of the Who were silly. Certainly Beck seems a lot less gleeful about it than Townsend used to.
    Nice that Antonioni captured a rare view of the Yardbirds with both Beck and Jimmy Page on stage, though.

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  5. I have read an interview with Antonioni where he was indeed scathing about the youth culture in London. He said something along the lines of "the English, they are already gone."

    But his treatment of the counter-culture in Zabriskie Point seems to have been much more sympathetic, so I wonder if he was somehow turned around. Maybe somebody gave him some LSD.

    It's always a bit poignant watching the street scenes in these old films, and seeing almost everybody dressed as an adult, slim and with an erect posture. The contrast with today, when so many people are stooped, often obese, and dressed in JJB Sports romper suits, is very marked.

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  6. Another peculiar thing about the Yardbirds scene in Blow-Up is how dead the audience are. Completely stock still and impassive (right at the back there's one girl dancing in a rather stilted, stylized way). Only with the tossing of guitar debris into the crowd do the kids erupt into frenzy. I wonder what Antonioni was trying to say there - that pop culture is numbing? Cool as rigor mortis? I wonder if it was based on observing concerts - seems highly unlikely that the audience was that inert at the time given how exciting the music was then.

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    1. I have always read it as another riff on appearance and reality / unreality. You go to a club and it looks as though the crowd are freaking out, but really they are dead inside, catatonic, passive consumers. If they are responding at all, they are just performing empty rituals without any meaning or even any real engagement.

      The only genuine excitement comes when there is a possibility of taking possession of some meaningless fetish object.

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  7. Speaking of Kevin Eldon as George Martin, there was Enfield and Whitehouse's imaging of the Beatles having never left 1964:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKP9ej8rYuc

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  8. "Sid Snot 'ere . . . " Does he count?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LlpztEDx0z4

    I was watching a TOTP from 1973 the other night. Don't think I've ever seen such an early one. K.E. was presenting: quite incredible compared to the usual cheesemongers . . . I think anarchic might be the word. YouTube is also pointing me in the direction of K.E. in another punk guise: Gizzard Puke. Might give that a miss . . .

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    1. Sid Snot, yes definitely. He also did a parody of Rod Stewart in his spandex skintight pants (or tights?) circa "Dya Think I'm Sexy'. And probably countless other things. But probably from an affectionate-amused angle.

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  9. Haha I love Vic's mockery of Ferry's vocal mannerisms. Teasing but also affectionate.

    And Johnny Vegas as Eno... Playing a carboard box with a coat hanger and a fork stuck in it! Top entertainment.

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  10. And there is this oddity from The Snoop Sisters (For those who don't remember - 70s NBC show with Helen Hayes and Mildred Natwick as two elderly sisters who stumble into mysteries each episode) where a visit to an underground rock club is necessary to move the plot along and Alice Cooper is performing, playing up his demonic persona as if it's real. At least it looks like they're having fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubIQeWtmK9o

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  11. There’s a great spoof that Peter Sellers did on skiffle / Lonny Donegan and the folky authenticity hangs-up and pretensions thereof. It's on Songs for Swinging Sellers. That same record also has a skit about Larry Parnes and the early British rock ’n’ rollers - the stable of pretty boys that he maintained, renamed, groomed (in both senses) and taught how to lip curl and pose with a guitar.

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  12. One of the more notorious performers of the now obscure pre-Beatles era that Larry Parnes encapsulated was Wee Willie Harris, who was a kind of grotesque doppelganger of Jerry Lee Lewis:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPj93ylskMU

    One of my uncles ended up in a fully fledged fist fight with Harris after he jumped off stage and started biting his girlfriend's ankle, thereby precipitating a riot.

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    1. As immortalised in Ian Dury and the Blockheads's "Reasons To Be Cheerful, Pt 3".

      Wee Willie Harris, not your uncle.

      "Take your mum to Paris / Lighting up the chalice / Wee Willie Harris

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  13. I don't think Frank Zappa has been mentioned. If you're after "distaste and contempt" then I believe he's your man: an insider looking in. I say "I believe" because I really don't know what the satirical stuff is like. For a long time I was an "only like Hot Rats" person - although now I know about The Grand Wazoo and other interesting jazz-inflected stuff from the year he was laid up (1972).

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    1. Zappa is an arch parodist-satirist of pop culture, it's true. But in many ways Zappa and the Mothers of Invention exemplify the ghastliness of rock as much as any of the excesses of the era. The hair (including facial hair), the clothes, the album covers.... not forgetting the music for fuck's sake! And 200 Motels, jeez.... A lot of the songs are about groupies and that kind of thing.

      So as much Zappa + crew piss-took both pop culture and the counterculture, their output represents the grossness and let-it-all-hang-out freakitutude of rock, especially its countercultural late '60s side - the kind of thing I was originally focusing on in this post, in terms terms of satire-parody coming from squeamish, appalled crypto-conservatives.

      I guess Zappa politically was kind of a crypto-conservative wrapped up in freak clothing, maybe.

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  14. Spitting Image lampooned quite a few bands in the nineties. Here is Oasis doing "Haven't You Heard This Song Before":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_n0hLRAIeQ

    Bjork:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZJw0-mitI

    Sadly their best parody, of Suede, "Are You Getting Old, Or Are We Shite?", is not on the 'tube.

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  15. ...not sure if this has already been mentioned, but what about The League of Gentlemen's Creme Brûlée performing "Voodoo Lady"..?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bbfrn400zs

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    1. It's quite a mild parody, isn't it? Like so close to the real thing.

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  16. Ok, I'm doing the Chris Morris post I threatened in the earlier post, but I think I have justification. I've been trying to look for parodies from my youth of earlier genres, and I just remembered an unmentioned Chris Morris one that fits such a criterion. With that, I suppose I should list all the main ones that spring to mind.

    The Day Today has probably the best Chris Morris music parody, Rok TV, with its MTV Europe presenters struggling with non-fluent English, and the best couplet Ice Cube never wrote. The requisite bad taste is the Ian Curtis moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1rNnxfCxQs

    Apart from the glam rock clip I linked to before, I remember two significant Brass Eye parodies of contemporary acts, both with lashings of bad taste. Firstly, Morris' version of Pulp, Blouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVibsNPXBx0

    Secondly, the Brass Eye paedophilia special (how does that sound to someone who doesn't know the context?) had the Eminem parody of JLB8, who takes the Slim Shady persona of ironic wickedness to the logical conclusion of comical paedophilia (though Eminem would later do something similar on Just Lose It, with its myriad Michael Jackson jests): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4efojRiMSes

    The clip which inspired this post comes from Nathan Barley, where the character of Doug Rocket clearly parodies Dave Stewart and all the uninspired rubbish he's done (I just noticed that, among the labels of figures flocking to Place, like "Urban Tag conceptualist" and "really brilliant DJ", is "Lou Reed"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyXLxDwRPOg

    This DJ set by Nathan Barley is worth considering. What are the 80s samples used here? I spotted Hounds of Love, In the Air Tonight, Shout and Centerfold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0D9FJLIJhc

    Again from Nathan Barley, in case anyone ever needs a Selfish Cunt parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHdga1g2exw

    No Kevin Eldon in these clips, though he did play the barber in Nathan Barley.

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  17. For fuck's sake, I just remembered that Vic Reeves had two proper hits as guest vocalist with two bands. Not really parodies, but I feel I should include them for the sake of completeness.

    Firstly, our Vic got to number 1 alongside the Wonder Stuff with their cover of Dizzy (our Bob's on backing vocal and tambourine). The most remarkable realisation there is that the Wonder Stuff had a number one hit. Even more remarkable is that, between 1989 and 1993, the Wonder Stuff had 3 top five albums. Did anyone here know that?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZzsi1y82Y8

    I'll say in passing that the comedian Greg Davies (most known for the absolutely brilliant Taskmaster) got the Wonder Stuff to appear in a cameo role in his corking sitcom Man Down, as he's an avowed fan.

    Secondly, Reeves and Mortimer (now sharing equal billing) joined up with EMF for a cover of I'm a Believer at the height of Cool Britannia. Of course, covering I'm a Believer is a band's death-knell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9un6gdY8-Fk

    Our Vic released a moderately successful album, I Will Cure You, in 1991. According to the Wikipedia entry, Mark E. Smith once claimed that the Fall were the original choice for the Dizzy cover. I have not heard the album: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Cure_You

    I really want this to be the last suggestion. The Comic Relief parody that I think most suits your original inquiry is Mr. Bean and Smear Campaign's cover of Alice Cooper's Elected (basically, Bruce Dickinson singing, with Mr. Bean making gags over the top; I don't think the band is actually Iron Maiden). The conceit of the record is Mr. Bean running for parliament. An odd duck, since Elected is obviously a song that suits Bruce Dickinson like a chainmail codpiece, but the central gag doesn't work, in that Mr. Bean is meant to be a silent character, and the zingers are really laboured. anyway, here is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvYc6q7-Os

    Please let this be the last of the rock parodies I remember. Unless you actually want a link to Hale and Pace's number one. Please say you don't want that.

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    1. Phil Knight - Fucking hell, I just ended up watching the video to Hale and Pace's Comic Relief single, The Stonk, and there's a reference to Wee Willie Harris in it (at 1:56, to be exact): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvYc6q7-Os

      And thinking about it, I guess the Young Ones' duet with Cliff Richard fulfils the original brief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOU0o9K89g

      This has been exhausting!

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    2. It's not a parody of Alice Cooper or even a satire of rock, though - it's Iron Maiden covering "Elected" in exactly the way you would expect Iron Maiden to cover "Elected", i.e. making it sound like Iron Maiden (not a good thing in my book, "Elected" being my equal-first fave Alice Cooper songs and Iron Maiden being a little-liked group). And that is interspliced with a Mr. Bean skit - for no real reason.

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    3. According to Wikipedia, it's not Iron Maiden, but a protégé group of Iron Maiden's called Taste at the time, who later renamed themselves Skin.

      Though it makes balls-all difference, admittedly.

      I suppose it's very, very broad comedy involving rock for the purposes of a comedic charity single (and thence you have the economic reason, I guess). Would Bananarama's cover of Help fulfil the remit better?

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  18. Phil Knight - It's the actual Wee Willie Harris in the Hale and Pace video!

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    1. I'm guessing that a lot of those pre-Beatles artistes were much more prevalent than people of our generation(s) would suspect, because they would still have had a certain cache with older TV producers. I remember Joe Brown being all over the TV when I was a kid, but I doubt that anyone under 40 has ever heard of him.

      I'm trying to get into a pre-Beatles mindset to investigate that era, because I suspect it was much more important than is generally considered, although it's made incredibly difficult by the fact that the music was objectively terrible.

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  19. Affection yes, but also a wryness, of gently yet overtly jibing the silly parts. Not quite ghastliness, I guess, but a certain judgement begat by the passing of the years.

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  20. Ride me fucking sideways, I thought I was done with this, but then I just remembered another significant music parody of my youth: the Fast Show's Jazz Club. It initially started as straight-up parody of the sheer unlistenability many people ascribe to more challenging movements within jazz, but it evolved and became one of the Fast Show's most (relatively) developed sketches. Here is a compilation of (I think) the complete Jazz Club. Perhaps the most ghastly element (in terms of your original inquiry) is the jazz dance section: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZl9czGStQ

    Two specific Jazz Club sketches deserve especial consideration by this blog. Firstly, Jeremy Kwee, the spot-on parody of Jamiroquai, really does remind one that cocaine was stronger in the 90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66_--zvqGDw

    Secondly, Indie Club, the offshoot of Jazz Club, showed exactly how RAW and DANGEROUS Britpop really was. Even the camera angles on Simon Day are piss-your-pants funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcwKgxu2wk

    Looking it up, the music director behind the Fast Show was Philip Pope, an actor and composer who has done some serious jazz work, but is most known for his involvement in the musical side of comedy. Perhaps his most famous role was on Only Fools and Horses as Tony Angelino, the lounge singer with an unfortunate impediment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUBnsqGbgBQ

    I honestly think this is the end. I will try not to think about this anymore.

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