Tuesday, January 30, 2024

Britrockers in a bad way

One thing that really tickled me that I read in the last few years was from a Guardian profile of Pete Doherty. He's moved to rural Normandy and apparently given up hard drugs in favour of....  cheese and butter. The libertine has become a gourmet-gourmand - not an untypical trajectory, I suppose, for a young person becoming a middle-aged person, Eros gradually giving way to the Epicurean.

This was the quote that really made me chuckle: 

“The cheese in this area – the brie, the camembert. There’s something special in the grass, you can taste it in the milk, it’s different here, it’s so creamy. I drink it by the pint. And the butter, and the bread, and the saucisson..." 

Despite the apparently cleaned-up lifestyle, Pete looks just as sickly and sweaty as before. But now it's French farm produce rather than urban chemicals that are being ingested. There's a sallow, waxy tinge to Pete's complexion, as if it's composed out of rind from a particularly ripe camembert. 

In one of the photos, Doherty's got some kind of cape around him, hiding his portly girth, and with the walking stick and the cravat, there's a resemblance to Orson Welles in his sherry commercials era.  

Or maybe the look he's going for is more like Gustave Flaubert?

I was reminded of the dotage of Doherty when yesterday I came across this ticklesome snippet about Richard Ashcroft, affectionately nicknamed "Captain Rock" by his good pal Noel Gallagher: 

On 19 June 2006, Ashcroft was arrested in Wiltshire after bursting into a youth centre and asking to work with the teenagers present at the club. He began swearing and refusing to leave so employees called the police, resulting in Ashcroft being arrested and receiving an £80 fine for disorderly conduct.

More delicious details from the Wiltshire Times's report: 

Rock star Richard Ashcroft was arrested in Chippenham on Monday for disorderly behaviour after he burst into a youth centre and offered them £10,000. The former Verve frontman stumbled into The Bridge Centre, in Bath Road, at 8pm and announced to a group of 60 youngsters, who were all under 12, that he was Richard Ashcroft from the band The Verve and he wanted to give them money. Bemused children looked on as the star, who was looking scruffy and dishevelled, offered them money and volunteered to work at the centre....  Ashcroft, 35, who was apparently drunk, began shouting and swearing and refused to leave so staff were forced to call the police.... When he was arrested, Ashcroft started singing songs to officers from the back seat of the police car.... Ashcroft was taken to Melksham police station and left to cool off for a couple of hours before being issued with an on-the-spot fine of £80.

This must be a first for rock 'n' rollers - causing a disturbance through an uncontrollable urge to  commit community service. 

The proper rock'n'roll thing to do would surely be to burn down a youth centre, or at least smash in its windows. 

Any more for any more? Bizarre tales from the downward arcs of Britpop godstars of the 1990s? 

Let's keep in that zone between Madchester and the new whatever-it-was in the early 2000s. NME shite. 

Bear in mind, I haven't lived in the UK for decades so a lot of the stories that wash up in the tabloids, I will have completely missed. 


February 1 update: 

BRITROCKERS IN A BAD WAY:  SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COMMENTS BOX

William nominates Tim Burgess and his bleached bowlcut



















Phil Knight feels we should piling on Captain Rock aka Richard Ashcroft (while also conceding that A Northern Soul was a good record... I'm quite partial to the early shoegazey stuff actually, or was at the time... and who can deny "Bittersweet Symphony" and "The Drugs Don't Work")



Matt M finds amusement in Justine Frischmann's post-musicking career: 


Television
In 2003, Frischmann co-presented a series called Dreamspaces for the BBC Television about modern architecture. In 2004, she presented The South Bank Show and was a judge for the RIBA Stirling Prize for Architecture.

Art
In 2005, Frischmann moved to Boulder, Colorado, to enroll in a masters program in visual arts at Naropa University, a small, Buddhist-inspired liberal arts college, and "become a nobody". In 2012 her work was shortlisted for the UK's Marmite Prize for painting, and she has been included in The Amsterdam List of 1000 Living Painters.

In a 2016 interview regarding her art career, Frischmann stated, "I don't really have any desire to make music, to be honest."

Frischmann has said, "The themes and ideas I am working with are in direct relation to an ongoing personal narrative; the big questions are reflected in the choices I make in my art ... [including] my ever-evolving relationship with my spiritual faith. I think my approach and aesthetics reveal internal struggles and speak to my family origins and history."

Personal life
... In the spring of 2000, Justine took up competitive fencing. She married a meteorologist, Professor Ian Faloona in 2008, and lives and works in the United States.


This odd, motley aftermath-to-fame relates to something I have been meaning to blog about, a sequel (more like a twist) to Wiki-Fear. But I will save those thoughts for a later juncture. 


Phil, just getting warmed up, zeroes on in another televisual moment of awkwardness, this time involving Bobby G



Stylo swipes Jarvis 



Phil points to another example of the indie/cheese interface - "what we've got here is proto-cheese" says Alex from Blur. 



Straying off topic really, but a couple of examples of indie / Britpop parody, from Tyler and that man Phil again




After I expressed mild amazement that the words "Ian" and "Brown" had not been mentioned, people came with the goods

Strangeways, there he went (Stylo)

bizarre Welsh nationalist monkey protest (Phil)


Phil piles on the Libertine again, with this story about another associate who met a sticky end. 

Tragic.... what struck me also was the extraordinary background of the deceased, which includes 

"The photographer and film-maker, had spent the past few years making Road to Albion, a documentary following Doherty after he left The Libertines. She had become the unofficial photographer of Doherty's new band, Babyshambles, and was reportedly working on another film about the singer in recent weeks.

"She is the granddaughter of the late Teddy Goldsmith, founder of The Ecologist magazine, and great-niece of the late billionaire financier Sir James Goldsmith.

:Her mother, Dido Whitehead, is a cousin of Jemima Khan and Zac Goldsmith, and her father is the 1960s film-maker Peter Whitehead" - the latter most known for his psych-era Pink Floyd-soundtracked film Tonight Let's All Make Love in London. 

Another example of the entanglement of the upper classes with the counterculture / bohemia... 





31 comments:

  1. I'll actually go the opposite direction and express amazement/grudging respect that Shed Seven (!) and Ned's Atomic Dustbin (!!) are still together and touring apparently profitably....indeed, the Sheds played Australia (!) a few years back and released a new album a few weeks back, which means they've comfortably outlasted every single magazine that used to lambast them back in the day (perhaps mercifully, the likes of Kingmaker and Carter USM remain in the history books).

    It's odd, I was just reading about Radiohead, and thinking how they always seemed to remain so separate and remote from the Britpop fray; I'm trying to think of an historical precedent - maybe Led Zepplin (no interviews, no singles, enigmatic symbols) remaining above the general rumble of 70s hard rock?

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    1. Australian border security is so tight they’ll fine you $1000s if you bring in your airport maccas meal by mistake.

      But somehow they let in Shed Seven. A disgrace.

      Radiohead decided fairly early on in their careers that they did not want to be Oasis. As soon as they fulfilled their obligations to their label (Parlephone?) they immediately ceased to give a fuck about doing anything they didn’t want to do. Thom Yorke would trade autonomy for fame in a heartbeat.

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  2. A minor one, but I would nominate Tim Burgess’ truly awful bleached bowl cut: a hairstyle he adopted in the 2000s to try and keep in with a new generation of indie kids. He still has it 15 years on, and it makes him look like a very dodgy old man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Burgess_%28musician%29#/media/File:Tim_Burgess_Piknik_i_Parken_2019_(181907).jpg

    On Radiohead: John Aizlewood pointed out in his recent book that they’ve been together for nearly 40 years now. In a way, I think they pointed the way forward in how to separate out music and fame: Peter Doherty stood out c. 2005 because there aren’t many ‘Brit rockers’ like him any more. More typical is the guy from Gomez being the prospective Labour Party candidate for Brighton: https://labourlist.org/2023/12/brighton-pavilion-candidate-tom-gray-labour-eddie-izzard/

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    1. Gomez were from Cambridge, weren't they? Very on-brand for a Labour Party candidate to have kept well away from the proles.

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    2. Don't know about their real origins, but they were certainly a 'met at Uni' band. The drummer from Blur was also a Labour councillor for a while (after re-training as a solicitor).

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    3. "Gomez were from Cambridge, weren't they?" - you're thinking of Colonel Gomez

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    4. Dear God I had forgotten about Colonel Gomez.

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  3. There was a legendarily hilarious Richard Ashcroft interview on BBC Breakfast:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNJs3OODpiQ

    Don't want to rag on him too much, though, because "A Northern Soul" was a great, great record.

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    1. A New Decade is a hell of an opener

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    2. Contrast with Nick McCabe becoming a NIMBY https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2015/10/15/former-guitarist-of-the-verve-nick-mccabe-is-not-such-a-lucky-man-after-shropshire-move/

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    3. Richard Ashcroft's response would be "Nick man, new houses are rock'n'roll."

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  4. I still think Justine Frischmann’s trajectory is pretty wild: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju

    Altho completely on brand for posh art school chick.

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  5. Now that this generation of musicians are publishing their memoirs, one thing I've noticed is that any musician who was involved in Britpop will always insist " Our band never had anything to do with Britpop ".

    It's like when Gary Kemp used to insist that Spandau were never New Romantics. Right, well you dressed like New Romantics, and you hung around New Romantic clubs and you played New Romantic music. That's a darn good impersonation, Gary.

    It's also noticeable that the most idolised Goth musicians will always recoil from the term. A touch of ingratitude, surely?

    I used to think that musicians refusing to be categorised was a show of integrity. Now, I just find it a bit pathetic. You're going to be tagged as something. Just embrace it, or at least, accept it.

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    1. The funny thing about Britpop was that I generally liked the second-tier "crap" stuff (Bluetones, Cast, Embrace) but couldn't stand the critically-adored stuff. Especially Pulp (Baby Bird for hipsters) and Radiohead (the worst kind of bourgeois self-pitying).

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    2. Three more rock memoir cliches

      1- " We were the only band whose singles would go down the charts after appearing on TOTP " (In other words, we were too hot to handle. This is nonsense - What about those singles where you made more than one appearance? It must have gone up the charts for you to be asked to come back)

      2 - " I don't remember seeing a tree until I was eight years old "
      (Because, hey, I come from urban hell. Seriously? How far do you have to walk in Britain to see a tree?)

      3 - Certain types of (male) musicians insist on describing the clothes they wore as a kid in anally retentive micro-details
      " I remember it was really important to own a pair of Levis with the yellow stitching, etc ". Apparently, none of these rockers went through that childhood stage where your Mum buys your clothes for you. None of them ever owned a pair of supermarket/thrift store jeans??

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  6. Who can forget Bobby Gillespie's dignified silence on the Andrew Neil show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5fW-1izY4

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  7. I doubt our Jarvis wishes to revisit this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D4wo07Bvio

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  8. Another example of the indie/cheese interface:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4zw_NNS328

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    1. Haha yes I was reminded of that one, too. My go-to when I wonder who had the worst post-success career trajectory of all the Britpop generation.

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  9. The archetypal example of what you're describing is probably Johnny Borrell

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    1. A looser example in that it's a parody - by Americans, no less - but I would also like to point out this Mr Show sketch with Bob and David as 'Smoosh', an Oasis style brother duo that was also apparently inspired by an MTV interview with Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6NqxBZP0Y

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    2. Colon:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcwKgxu2wk

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  10. I am amazed that the words "Ian" and "Brown" have not been typed as of yet.

    Not that I have any specific incidents in mind, but he feels like someone who done something public and winceworthy at some point in the last couple of decades.

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    1. Strangeways Prison for two months, for causing a ruckus on a plane. Also became an anti-vaccine git.

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    2. Also arrested for suspected wife beating, and the subject of bizarre niche Welsh nationalist monkey suit protest:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2317797.stm

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  11. That story about Richard Ashcroft at the youth club is absurd, but also very sad. Reminiscent of the post-fame years of Syd Barrett and Peter Green.

    Pete Doherty, fromageur, is funny I admit. I guess we should just be grateful he's still alive, given the life he's led. But again the tragic story of Mark Blanco makes it hard to see him purely as a rogueish figure of fun.

    I see that Doherty gave a pretty bleak-sounding interview to Louis Theroux last year: https://www.nme.com/news/music/pete-doherty-tells-louis-theroux-that-hes-a-very-sick-man-and-death-is-lurking-3539995

    The cheeses don't work, maybe.

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    1. Oh now you've made me feel bad... well, only a tiny bit. And reading the piece, it doesn't actually say death is imminent, just that doctors have advised him to cut down on the saturated fats and sugar. And the "saucisson".

      He's got a tache in that NME photo and I suddenly flashed on who he resembles: Fassbinder. Another drug fiend who also had an unhealthy diet - heaping platefuls of German sausage and similar stodge. He also smoked about five packets a day. In the I Punman book there's a quoted description of Fassbinder's face looking like a sweaty cheese or sausage meat or something like that.

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    2. Mark Blanco wasn't the only wide-eyed innocent around Doherty who ended up dead:

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/28/pete-doherty-fil-maker-dead#:~:text=A%20member%20of%20the%20Goldsmith,paramedics%20answered%20a%20999%20call.

      I've never knowingly heard The Libertines, and am fairly dedicated to keeping it that way.

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  12. I'll pile all these suggestions into a section at the end of the post.

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  13. I'm drunk right now, after a corking night with one of my best friends, and we've both resolved to get tattoos on our unblemished skin for our fortieth birthdays. What Happy Mondays tattoo should I get?

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    1. Lazy-Itis? Something to do with Mad Cyril? Loose fit and a picture of giant flares? Bez with his maraccas?

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